here. I’ve been to Xinjiang. Back in 2019, I hired a car with my then
girlfriend and drove around the area around Urumqi (hours and hours of
driving, but probably wouldn’t look too impressive on a map - Xinjiang
is colossal). We went to many villages and some really beautiful places.
part of China is very different from Shanghai which is where I’ve lived
since 2015. It’s heavily policed. If you go into markets, hotels,
shopping malls and places like this, you need to pass through a metal
detector. There are surveillance cameras in a lot of places and all
shops and restaurants have riot gear (really, I’m not joking).
you drive through to different regions, you’ll need to pass through
police checkpoints where the police check and log your ID and search
your vehicle for anything offensive. They do this to everybody,
regardless of gender, race or nationality. Also, worth noting - the
police are multi-racial (Han, Uyghur, etc).
has been a lot of problems with security in that region. Problems that
result in innocent people who want to buy fruit in the market ending up
dead or in hospital missing body parts. Are the government supposed to
just sit back or are they supposed to protect the innocent?
summarise, no, I didn’t witness any crimes against humanity. Security
was heavy, but given the fact that the threat of terror activity is
high, what would you expect? I’ve been in London when there has been
heightened activity and seen armed police everywhere. It’s the same
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I don’t live in China. But I can show you people living in Xinjiang, in
China, including many uyghurs who post their videos online as video
bloggers and youtubers.
For people who wonder about the lives of uyghurs in China.
think that one of the best proves that there is no “genocide”, or “mass
concentration camps” and systematic abuse of uyghurs is probably to
show that they have pretty decent, happy normal lives, just like anybody
here are some uighur vlog channels with ( just random normal daily life
- non-politicized ) vídeos about the live of uighur vloggers living in
Xinjiang, showing how live is there in reality, showing if they study,
if they work, the time they spend with family and friends, their travels
and leissure time, etc…
part of me kinda feels bad about politicizing the issue about channels
which are nothing political at all. But the people of the world need to
see this, because this is reality.
a Youtube channel (which I guess is originally a Bilibili or Weibo
channel) of a Xinjiang uighur vlogger living in Xinjiang, and also
uploads her videos to Youtube:
repeat, this are not political videos, just her normal daily live and
travel experiences in Xinjiang living a happy normal live. Her name,
traduced would be something like Annie Guli, well in reality, the
channel is about two girls, one is Annie and the other is Guli, but
Annie is in college or something like that, so Guli is the one that
keeps making and uploading more videos since I don’t know when.
I’m using Google Chrome traductor function to translate text image
above so people could read the titles of the video playlists, I shall
also note that there’s the possibility that some of her videos might not
form part of a playlist, however I don’t know that)
look at those list of videos of this Xinjiang Uighur girl living a
happy normal live, one list have 82 videos, another 53, another 61,
there’s one with 101 videos, there’s even a list with 517. This is real
live, not the bullshit that BBC, CNN, Fox News, DW, Reuters, Sky News
Australia, Wion News, and pretty much the entire European Union / NATO /
5 Eyes Western Media cartel wants you to believe.
some of my favorite videos from that same channel, because of how they
illustrate real life in Xinjiang, which is extremely different, even
opposite to what western media claim are these videos:
is a high school in Xinjiang, video taken from an independent uighur
vlogger herself, not the chinese government, if you don’t want to
believe in them, at least believe the normal random people citizens that
do live inside Xinjiang in China, most of the kids in this video are
probably uighur, althoug I assume some might be of other ethnicities,
just a happy normal day for them in school with their friends:
one here is about an open air fair with acrobats and a marathon, with
happy people everywhere enjoying the activities. Again, I repeat, this
is not a chinese government news channel, just normal vlogger uighur
girl living a normal peaceful happy live in Xinjiang, there are many
uighurs there too in this video, some of them are dancing traditional
Here is a video about her having happy, fun, loving, quility time with her family:
Here’s another channel of another uyghur vlogger living in Xinjiang (more specifically in Southern Xinjiang), in China:
like the previous channel, this is a vlog about her live, her time with
her family and friends, her travels, etc… This is nothing political,
this is just her normal daily live in Xinjiang in China.
She also have some playlist of videos
using Google Chrome browser traductor function for the screenshot
above, it is also posible that some or many of her videos are not added
to any playlist)
this video, she’s visiting the house of some family members of her,
because someone of her family gave birth to a baby. This is nothing
political, just a video of her visiting some family.
is her having a nice quiality time with her family. Again this is
nothing political, just her having a happy nice day with her family:
is a video of her skiing on snow. Again this nothing political, just
her having some fun time skiing on the snow in Xinjiang:
None of her videos are added to a playlist compilation, but she has a lot of videos as well showing her live:
Like in this video, it says that she spend holidays with her mom:
In this video, she is going to a movie theater with her sisters, she says that she laugh a lot in the way to the movie theater:
Again, she’s just a normal uighur living in Xinjiang, in China, having a wonderful beautiful happy live.
Her channel are filled with non-political, just normal daily life videos of how is her live in Xinjiang as uighur:
(I shall note that I’m using Google Chrome translate function to read the titles of all of this videos)
like going to the market, or going with her grandparents to visit her
cousin’s new home, or visiting a museum, she even has a video telling
her viewers that they should go to Xinjiang to skii on the snow, and she
has a video of her cooking naam with her mother.
of this are political stuff. However, among all of her videos of her
beautiful happy live, there’s one single video in which she actually
expreses a political opinion:
And that one single video is this one:
In the video, she as a uyghur, as a native of Xinjiang, she’s angry at Pompeo’s accussations of genocide in Xinjiang.
Gotten of the transcription of what she says in the video:
US Secretary of State Pompeo announced that the United States issued a
declaration which officially recognized that China is committing
genocide and crimes against humanity against uighur muslims and other
says that to see those false statements from Pompeo meant to discredit
Xinjiang feels really outrageous and funny, and she, as a native of
Xinjiang can not stand this fallacy.
spread a lot of falsehoods on issues related to Xinjiang, their
intentions is to provoke ethnic tensions in Xinjiang to undermine their
stability and hinder the development of a peaceful coexistance that they
she mentions something about there been great rivers and mountains in
Xinjiang, they live their lives freely, she mentions that Pompeo’s
remarks are entirely fictional, and then, by the end she mentions that
she and her sisters are at some ski resorts and invites her viewrs to
come and play with them
that was the only one single video in which she expressed any kind of
opinion towards a political related issue. The rest of her videos are
just her happy normal live with her family and friends.
you can see, in her only video that has a political related opinion,
she said that genocide accussations of uyghurs by China is nonsense, and
she kinda gets the perception that the US wants to create problems for
China and create ethnic tensions and instabilities in Xinjiang.
while I’m neither chinese, nor I live in China, I have to say, that I
agree with her perception on that. Furthermore, an actual 31 years of
experience US army Colonel have openly stated that the CIA would like to
form an unrest in Xinjiang to weaponize uyghurs as a tool against
China, and that they are in Afganisthan to be able to do that, as well
as to be able to strike the Belt and Road innitiative in the future with
only that, but apparently, there’s an FBI whistleblower, Sibel Edmonds,
who stated that the United States of America has planned each and every
single terrorist attack on Xinjiang between 1996 and 2002:
I don’t think she can reveal much eaither, because the US
attorney-general imposed a state secrets privilege order on her, which
prevents her from revealing more information about the FBI.
there are actually many uyghurs, who although don’t have their own
individual Youtube channels, have appeared in as compilation of videos
in a channel called Real Xinjiang:
the channel of Real Xinjiang, there so many videos, some videos are
compilations of Douyin - TikTok China videos of uyghur people, tajiks
and other people living in Xinjiang, because yes, they do use chinese
social media, and people can see those videos, and there videos as well
with compilations of testimonies of people who do live in Xinjiang
refuting this so called “genocide” which for them, doesn’t make any
like anybody else in China, uyghurs can make their own Douyin Tik Tok
account and post videos, do these people look like they are going
through a genocide? People share parts of their lives through social
media, people in China have their own social media platforms, and it is
pretty imposible that the government could hide a genocide of any ethnic
group from the rest of chinese citizens and for them to agree with it.
Do people in western countries, in the US, Europe, Australia, and other
parts of the world seriously think the rest of China’s citizens wouldn’t
realize or wouldn’t care if there was a genocide or concentration camps
one of the many videos of normal people, everyday citizens of Xinjiang
speaking out, talking about how outrageous Pompeo’s remarks and
accussations of genocide are, and they are actually angry about him:
citizens of Xinjiang are getting the news that the Secretary of the
United States of America, Mike Pompeo declared that China is committing
genocide, and they are starting to speak up.
And all these citizens of Xinjiang, uyghurs, tajiks, etc… all of them are saying things like:
Pompeo, you are speaking nonsense.
Pompeo, you are crazy.
Please stop this slander about Xinjiang
So, people in Xinjiang are very angry at Mike Pompeo for his baseless accussation of genocide.
But not only they are angry at Mike Pompeo.
Now they are also angry at Adrian Zenz.
businesses and individuals in Xinjiang want to sue Adrian Zenz because
the falsehoods and slanders of his reports which are been used by the
United States as excuses for sanctions against businesses in Xinjiang,
are causing them economic damages:
Here are some short videos explaining Zenz lies:
a Youtuber, who is not a uyghur, but rather a Hong Kong / Canadian. He
has gone several times to Xinjiang and has a series of like 7 videos (by
this moment of me writting this answer).
this one in which he goes to night disco dance karaoke club, filled
with uyghurs and ethnic uyghur music which seems very popular there:
also a video of him with a camera peacefully talking with a policeman,
and guess what happened? Nothing! Nobody cared of him talking with a
policeman holding a camera in front of his face:
( Not only the policeman is friendly and approacheable, he is also an ethnic uyghur himself )
Now, here’s another channel, from another ethnic uighur vlogger which as well uploads her videos to Youtube
named Guli, and in case you are wondering, she’s not the same Guli from
the first channel I wrote in this post, she’s another Guli, as it turns
Guli seems to be a common name for girls in Xinjiang, I think,
specially among Uighur girls.
Now many of her videos seem to be more about art and history of many places in China.
most of her videos seem to be about things like art, history, places in
Xinjiang and other parts of China, as well as other miscelaneus stuff
like mounting horses or been around camels, as it comes for me writting
this post about uyghurs in China, I think there’s a video that really
catched my atention:
Which is this one:
title says that she went to Wuhan to slap (in metaphorical sense)
foreigners who say things like that China don’t have human rights and
uyghur girl is clearly angry at all those people from outside claimming
that her country doesn’t have human rights and doesn’t allow believes.
seen all of this, I think that most uyghurs certainly have happy normal
lives, and the accussations of genocide and mass concentration camps
and all of that are ridiculous.
in general, what I wanted to do with this post was not to make just
another debunk compilating the accussations and analizing their origins
and their veracity, with this post I decided to take a different
approach to show people uyghurs do indeed have happy normal lives in
Xinjiang and in China in general.
reason for me to do this is because I want people to ask themselves if
what media tries to make them believe is really true or if it even makes
far, the US politicians and now, Canada as well have ridiculously
declared that China is committing genocide against uyghurs, and this
doesn’t makes any sense in my opinion.
So reading all of this post, and watching all the evidences I have compiled and want people to ask themselves the question:
there was a real genocide going on, if millions of uyghurs were put
inside concentration camps, womens raped, organs harvested, mass forced
sterilizations, systematic oppression against uyghurs, if all of those
were real, would uyghurs be able to live the peaceful happy normal lives
they currently have? Even if you tell me, well maybe those specific
uyghur individuals haven’t suffered that, if there were other millions
of uyghurs going through all of that, do you seriously think, this
non-directly affected uyghurs would feel safe about their lives and
happy in China, furthermore, if millions were oppressed and other
millions were not, with there been like 20 million uyghurs in all of
China, like 13 million in Xinjiang, if 1 to 2 millions were going
through all that, which is almost 1/10 of uyghurs in Xinjiang or whole
China, it would almost guarantee that for almost every family, they
would have at least one family member (a father, an uncle, a cousin, a
brother, a mother, etc…) going through the oppression, do you really
think the rest of uyghurs would be able to live happy if members of
their family were oppressed put in concentration camps to be raped and
tortured like that, even if they themselves are not as individuals?
with this I want people to realize, that the real reasons behind this
accussations of oppressions against uyghurs, of putting them in
concentration camps and of genocide are nothing but political tools to
take actions which might actually end up hurting the same people they
are pretending to help. And those actions could be sanctions to
businesses in Xinjiang which would hurt uyghurs’ incomes, and perhaps
even supporting terrorism as “freedom fighters / moderate rebels”, which
would cause the death of people in Xinjiang, including uyghurs.
you as a human being do really care about uyghurs, their lives or human
rights in general, then you should be denouncing and fighting back
against US-UK-Canda / 5 Eyes Alliance / NATO propaganda falsehoods about
China, because if there’s anything oppressive toward uyghurs in China,
that’s going to be economical sanctions against companies and businesses
in Xinjiang from western countries, which will hurt the incomes of
uyghur families, the income they need in order to buy their food, their
clothes, pay tap water and electricity services, internet services, send
their kids to school, buy school supplies too, etc…, and perhaps even
US support of terrorism, as they have already gotten a highly dangerous
terrorist organization, ETIM /TIP, out of their list of terrorists
organizations, simply because they want to commit their acts of
terrorism in Xinjiang, in China, which clearly shows that the US
government doesn’t really care about the lives of human beings in
Xinjiang, uyghurs included, but they want to use a false narraive about
uyghur in China for their own evil intended purposes.
you liked this post, don’t forget to upvote and share this as much as
possible, with you work mates, with your family and friends, your school
or university teachers, with as much people as you can, because the
world is filled with lies, and those lies have real life consecuences.
We don’t need more lies like Iraq’s WMD in our lives. Humanity needs and
the way, if you haven’t read my previous answer, in which you can track
the origin and sources about the evil intended rumours about Xinjiang
and who are the people behind those rumours, accussations, and false
report propaganda campaings which are used for political reasons, then
this answer is also a good read which might help you understand the
truth of it:
(Please note that Uyghur and Uighur are both acceptable spellings and are used interchangeably in this answer.)
A better question would be, are they really getting mistreated? If so much how of what we think as mistreatment is real or not?
fact, this question (What are Uyghurs doing to fight back against the
mistreatment they receive from China?) is an example of Complex Question Fallacy.
is the “How many times per day do you beat your wife?” type of
question, which somehow assumes you beat your wife even if it isn’t
really a fact.
continuing to answer this biased question, let’s take a small look at
some of the biased sources and disinformation out there (disinformation
being defined by Merriam Webster Dictionary as “false information
deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in
order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth”).
they claim it was a Chinese soldier beating a Uyghur Muslim because the
said Uyghur had a copy of the Quran in his house. The written message
continues saying that we should send this to everybody so that they can
know what is happening in “East Turkestan” (a name used by
pro-separatists to refer to Xinjiang province of China as if it was a
separate country). Then it follows with a claim that somehow China is
killing all Muslims.
don’t know who started this or when, but this is a clear example of
disinformation: somebody with an agenda took a video of an Indonesian
soldier beating a thief which went viral in 2017, and used it some years
later to show it as a if it was a Chinese soldier beating a Uyghur. Not
only that, they even added a tiny icon of the chinese flag in the
right-hand corner to say this was happening in China:
Although in the video you can clearly hear the words “ampun pak” which is how Indonesians ask for forgiveness.
Here is the full video:
who would make such an evil thing? Purposely lying to everybody,
spreading false information, starting small and then making it go viral?
most likely, separatist forces or separatist organizations in
Xiangyang. It is really hard to track when it started or who started it,
but that’s just one example.
Someone did this and that person had an agenda. This is important to remember.
Now that we have seen this, let’s focus on something bigger.
This article from Reuters claims there are about 1 million Uyghurs detained in “concentration camps”.
so called “millions of Uyghurs in camps” has been treated almost
universally as a fact in all large and mainstream/important media
corporations and news outlets throughout all of the US, Canada,
Australia, UK, New Zealand, Germany, France, etc. In general, all of
Europe, Five Eyes Alliance countries’ media, NATO countries’ media,
European Union countries’ media.
Not only that, these media are telling us that it is the United Nations which is saying this.
in reality, the claims were said by a single member (only one from the
United States) of an independent committee within the UN, and that this
independent committee is made of independent experts, meaning that they
are not UN officials, nor they can represent the UN as a whole.
claimed that they interviewed 8 anonymous Uyghurs in Kashgar (and there
is no way to even prove if they really interviewed anybody, but anyway,
let’s continue). In the interviews they asked how many people from
their villages were detained and what the total population of their
result was that about 10% of the population of each of these 8 villages
were “detained”, and interviewees number 7 and number 8 stated that
they also knew how many were attending daily day/evening classes which
were not detainned which according to them was about 20%.
For clarity, these 8 small villages are all in this single Kashgar prefecture of Xinjiang province (the area marked in red):
then took this “Kashgar percentage” and multiplied it for the entire
rural Uyghur population in all of the prefectures of southern Xinjiang.
This is an enormous region with a large population (see marked here the
blue area classed as southern Xinjiang, which again Kashgar is just one,
small subdivision of):
can’t just ask 8 people from 8 tiny villages in a very tiny region, and
then extrapolate that into millions of people within an area that is
1.665 million square kilometres.
were the number of “detainees” they got from supposedly interviewing 8
“anonymous uyghurs”. The so called millions were, well, I guess you
could say invented!
But hey, there is another source that says that roughly hundreds of thousands, or maybe millions of Uyghurs are been detained.
For those who don’t know, Adrian Zenz is a right wing fundamentalist Christian.
Co-author of the book: “Worthy to Escape: Why all believers will not be raptured before the Tribulation”
Zenz is against gender equality, in favor of “scriptural spanking”,
physical punishment of children and against homosexuality. Furthermore,
he believes that gender equality, banning physical punishment of
children and the existence of homosexuality are also things of Satan and
a threat to Christianity.
And this guy, Zenz, also believes that has been “led by God” to some sort of divine mission / holly crusade against China.
Zenz likes to present himself as a “german independent researcher” as well as a “scholar”. He authored this “study” confirming what he considers to be the numbers.
figures are based on a single report of a so-called “leaked document”
obtained by a pro-separatist agenda media organization called Istqlal
TV, which was then re-published by Newsweek Japan here: ウイグル絶望収容所の収監者数は89万人以上
unverifiable table given by Istqlal TV, which Zenz used in his “study”,
claimed that about 820,000 people were detained. But, Zenz also wrote,
perhaps as a way to avoid responsibility for that: “The accuracy of this
estimate is of course predicated on the supposed validity of the stated
those who don’t know, the source, Istqlal TV, is also known for having
Abdulkadir Yapuquan as a frequent guest, who is a senior leader of a
terrorist organization ETIM - (East Turkestan Islamic Movement):
They even recruit and brainwash children to turn them into terrorists soldiers:
Abdulkadir Yapuquan is the kind of person Istqlal TV likes to invite
onto their programs. And yes, this is also the kind of source Zenz is
willing to use in his studies in his “mission” against China if it suits
a convention in Geneva Zenz claimed that “although speculative, there
are probably 1.5 million detained uyghurs in concentration camps”:
Wow, did you see that? What a trend! The figures increase every time!
Let’s break it down into a chronology:
First Radio Free Asia says 120,000, we don’t know quite why.
CHRD makes up numbers by suppossedly interviewing 8 anonymous Uyghurs
in 8 tiny villages in a tiny area of Xinjiang, then use some weird
extrapolation tactic, and Ta-dah! - millions of Uyghurs are in
takes an allegedly “leaked” report which somehow got into the hands of a
pro-separatist internet media organization, Istqlal TV. This media
station, completely coincidentally, likes to regularly invite one of the
senior leaders of ETIM, a terrorist organization, with a motive for
people to believe this, onto their show.
so called “leak” obtained by this pro-separatist outlet talks about
820,000 people in re-education centers (or according to Istqlal TV and
Zenz, “concentration camps”).
then uses this so called 820,000 “leaked document” (potentially a false
or modified document by the way, we have no way to know) to somehow
speculate in his study that between hundreds of thousands to perhaps
above a million people are detained.
then further inflates the figure into 1.5 million people in a Geneva
Convention, so now there are not 820,000 but 1.5 million.
his next trick, he then he randomly increases the figure again to 1.8
million Uyghurs in an interview in Radio Free Asia, so now there not 1.5
million Uyghurs anymore, but 1.8 millions uyghurs instead.
this point one might even wonder if this fundamentalist Christian
doesn’t know that lying is a sin, but he is after all on a divine
mission against China given by God. Maybe he can make a slightly sinful
sacrifice and take certain liberties when it comes to handling
information and telling the truth for fulfilling his “God’s given
mission” against China.
Zenz, CHRD, Istqlal TV and Radio Free Asia there are several other
organizations related to this topic, for example the World Uyghur
WUC was created by Erkin Alptekin, a man who wanted to “see the fall of
China” and turn the province of Xinjiang into an independent state
called East Turkistan. Its sole purpose and main objective is to push
forward a separatist agenda on Xinjiang.
The WUC claims to strive to promote “democracy, human rights and freedom” through “peaceful, nonviolent and democratic” means.
it’s not like the WUC were friends with or had at any point any kind of
connection to certain leaders of violent paramilitary organizations,
there you have the founder of the WUC, Erkin Alptekin, meeting with the
de-facto leader of the Grey Wolves, a paramilitary group. The Grey
Wolves are known for committing acts of violence:
attack is believed to be linked to Thailand deporting Uyghurs who were
suspected of being influenced by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement.
They were deeemd as terrorists on their way to Turkey, Syria and Iraq to
fight in support of terrorist activities there, and at least 13 of them
have been linked to committed terrorist acts.
does anybody here knows what do most of these have in common, besides
constantly trying to make it look like China is mistreating Uyghurs?
Well, most of these have some sort of ties with or support from the US government (strap in, this hole goes quite deep).
instance, our favorite holy crusader, Adrian Zenz. Besides being a
fundamentalist Christian who somehow believes gender equality,
homosexuality and banning violence against children are forces of Satan
and the anti-Christ that threaten Christianity, he also happens to
believe he is on a God given mission against China. His public persona,
however, is as a “German independent researcher and scholar”. He
also, incidentally, works for an organization created by the government
of the United States, the Victims Of Communism Memorial Foundation
VCMF was created by a US Congressional Act signed by President Bill
Clinton on December 17, 1993, and President George W. Bush was an
Honorary Chairman of said Foundation.
Among the founding members of the Victims of Communism memorial foundation we can find:
National Security advisor of President Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew
Brzezinski, who among his views, believed that the United States should
take action to limit Mexico’s industrial and technological development.
In his own words: “We cannot tolerate another Japan south of the
that, the VCMF is basically an offshoot of the National Captive Nations
Committe, an organisation created by the United States in 1959 by
President Dwight D. Eisenhower. The National Captive Nations Committe is
essentially the front of former Nazi collaborators and extreme
rightwing totalitarians, mainly the OUN - B (Organization of Ukrainian
Nationalists - Banderists). Furthermore, Lev Dobriansky, a founding
member of the VCMF, was also the chairman of the National Captive
Nations Committe, and the co-chairmain of said Committe was Yaroslav
Stetsko, who was the leader of the OUN-B, essentially an unpunished war
criminal. The OUN-B collaborated with the Nazis in killing possibly
hundreds of thousands of Poles during the “Volhynian Massacres”, as well
as Jews and Russians, people they wanted to “purge” from Ukranian
recap: as we know, Zenz was also interviewed by Radio Free Asia, and
Radio Free Asia was created by the US government to fight an ideological
battle against certain countries in 1951, and has been spouting
China-bashing propaganda ever since.
by the way, was part of greater combined effort to push propaganda all
throughout the entire world in order to shape and reshape world opinion
as they pleased:
"Worldwide Propaganda Network Built by the C.I.A.” New York Times. December 26, 1977.
are the confessions of ex- CIA officer John Stockwell talking about how
public disinformation was always a big part of the CIA’s strategy:
John Stockwell was a CIA officer for 13 years,
he served in Africa and Vietnam and eventually on a subcomitee of the
National Security Council in Washington DC. He also ran covert action
operations from Washington as chief of task forces in Angola. He said
that realising massive amount of disinformation to shape public opinion
was by far one of the main tasks of the CIA.
has also said that they often contacted journalists and gave them true
stories, then get information from him as well, and finally give him
false stories. He said that he knew about 400 journalists were cooperating with the CIA to consciously introduce false stories, including some of the biggest names in the industry. He also said that about 1/3 of his staff about Angola worked in propaganda. He also talked that how they invented stories about atrocities in Cuba, including one about Cuban rapists including with staged photos.
These kinds of things were also done during the Vietnam War extensively, including over one thousand books, hundreds of which were in English for US audiences,
all sponsored by the CIA. When the Church Comitee, due to the Watergate
sacandal, had to investigate the abuses of FBI, NSA, CIA and more and
discovered the false history books created by CIA, they asked for the
titles so that universities could at least put a stamp on the books to
say that it was a CIA version of the story. Predictably they refused
because it was comissioned to protect the method and sources, and the
sources were officers who wrote those false propaganda books, some of whomeven became distinguished scholars and journalists.
he started he thought he was doing something good, to help spread
democracy. But after his 13 years of work for the CIA he became
disillusioned. Dissapointed, he became a critic of the CIA, and after
those 13 years, these are the conclusions of John Stockwell.
ex-officer who quit the CIA and became a critic of the actions of the
organization is Ralph Mcgehee, also the author of the book Deadly
Deceits, which told how public mass disinformation campaigns were a very
large part of the CIA’s job .
Another person who has dared to talk about CIA disinformation campaigns was the German Journalist Udo Ufkotte, who was bribed by the CIA to publish false news.
he speaks about how he has been a journalist for 25 years and that he
was taught to lie, to betray and not to tell the truth. That he writes
only Pro-European Pro-American, pro-NATO, anti-Russian, pro war
propaganda, and that this is happening in all media throughout Europe:
Udo Ulfkotte used to work at the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung - FAZ,
but when he started to notice that the trend was to push Europe to war
against Russia, he decided to stop and speak out publicly against it.
Udo Ulfkote was also sent in 1988 to the Gulf region to take pictures
about how Iranians were killed with chemical poisonous gas weapons
during the Iraq-Iran war. The paper consequently only published a small
article with a very small photo on the subject, the editors choosing not
to write about how catastrophic and brutal it was to kill people with
WW2 German poison gas in 1988. He felt missused for not being able to
speak about what was happening behind closed doors. He also revealed
that the paper wanted him to write an article about how Libya’s then
leader, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, wanted to secretly build a poison gas
factory, and the article was published two days later.
Udo Ulfkotte also said:
of the journalists you see in foreign countries, they claim to be
journalists and they might be. But many of them, like me in the past,
are so-called 'non-official cover.' It means you work for an
intelligence agency, you help them if they want you to. But they will
never say they know you.”
They work on your ego, make you feel like you're important. And one day one of them will ask you 'Will you do me this favor?'
said, about Udo Ufkotte, wether he was or not a whistleblower is seen
as more controversial, due to him having far-right views about
inmigrants, and other issues. So because of those kinds of views, many
people don’t consider him reliable. So I’ll leave it to your own opinion
to belive Udo Ufkotte) That said, I think that with or without Udo
Ufkotte, when we take into account the confessions from actual ex-CIA
agents like John Stockwell. The study about the behaviour of press done
by Noam Chomsky and investigations by Carl Bertein. And watching at the
actual behaviour of media, I think anybody could see that there must be
Berstein, who worked with Bob Woodward with both of them being
investigative journalists who uncovered and released much of the
original reportings of Watergate, specifically mentions The New York
Times, CBS and Time Inc. as some of the most valuable outlets among the
media and news associations for the CIA.
In the words of the former CIA Director:
lets not forget that Zbigniew Brzezinski, besides having been the
National Security advisor of President Jimmy Carter, was also one of the
founding members of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation:
a side note, it is also interesting to note that Zbigniew’s daughter
works as a journalist and political commentator at MSNBC.
But what about the WUC - World Uyghur Congress and the CHRD - Chinese Human Rights Defenders.
Well, it turns out they are both supported by an organization called the National Endowment for Democracy - NED.
we search the NED grant database, which only goes back to 2016, we see
that in that period the WUC have received five grants for a total of
the CHRD, trying to find their donors is more difficult, but
independent researchers of The Grayzone have found that National
Endowment for Democracy has provided them $490,000 in 2012 Form 990 (2002-2015)
So why does it matter that they are getting money from an organization called the National Endowment for Democracy?
because the National Endowment for Democracy, despite presenting itself
as an “NGO” - (Non Governmental Organization, usually with some kind of
charitable mission), is in reality an extension of existing US foreign
policy tools, and perhaps one of the most important ones.
WWII, the US had been secretly sending advisers, equipment and funds to
certain newspapers and political parties, and when it was revealed in
the 1960’s that the CIA was covertly giving money to different
organizations in order to wage a battle of ideas, they concluded they
needed a “public-private mechanism” to fund overseas activities.
also state that they encourage what they call “democratic development”
consistent with the interests of both the US and the groups receiving
assistance. As well, they say that funding flows from the United States
Information Agency to the National Endowment for Democracy.
I shall say that considering how the NED is giving funds to anti-China,
pro-separatists organizations like the World Uyghur Congress, well,
that really tells us quite a lot about the interests of the United
also tell us about the links between the National Endowment for
Democracy, the AFL-CIO and the Free Trade Union Institute, which they
used to infiltrate and control the labour unions of many countries
throughout Africa, Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe.
they also tell us that right after the National Endowment for Democracy
was created, the establishment of the CIPE, the NDI, the IRI and FTUI,
currently known as the Solidarity Center, quickly followed. The National
Endowment for Democracy became an umbrella organization for these other
four organizations as well.
NED is largely funded by the Congress of the United States, and created
jointly by both Republicans and Democrats, and governed by a board of
members of both parties.
to everyone who has managed to keep reading this far: all of the above
about the CIA, and the words of John Stockwell, Udo Ulfkotte, Ralph
Mcgehee, Carl Bernstein, Willian Casey and Zbigniew Brzezinski, next are
the words of the co-founder of National Endowment for Democracy, Allen
According to them, Weinstein was not being entirely fair.
the NED’s funding was smaller than the CIA’s, the NED is more subtle,
sophisticated and even polically acceptable method for furthering US
foreign policy interests. While the CIA crushed democratic movements,
the NED cooperated with them by making them dependent for funding on the
US, or by recruiting their leaders or excluding them altogether. The
NED was essentially a tool to create a political consensus shaped in the
US’s own image.
They also tell us that the NED was created to fund pro-American political groups all around the world,
and to diminish the negative impact of congressional exposes of CIA
covert actions. The NED was suposed to be a “respectable means to achieve the same objectives as those of the CIA.”
those who don’t know what is Covert Action Magazine, you should know
that it was co-founded by ex CIA officers, like James Wilcott, Elsie
Wilcott, and Philip Agee. Agee decided to quit the CIA and became a
critic of the organisation after the Tlatelolco massacre in Mexico City
in 1968. The magazine developed a following not as a conspiracy-theory
related publication, but as a source for reliable, consistent, and
accurate investigative reporting.
illustrate more about the activities of National Endowment for
Democracy, I’m going to cite extracts of texts of the book “Rogue State”
by the American historian and US foreign policy critic William Blum
which can be found on his oficial website:
The NED has manipulated elections in Nicaragua and Mongolia. The NED has even helped overthrow democratically elected governments in Bulgaria and Albania and worked to defeat the candidate for prime Minister in Slovakia who was out of favor in Washington. As well they supported a coalition in Haiti against Jean Bertrand Aristide.
The NED also mounted multi-level campaigns in the Phillipines in the mid 80’s, funding private organizations, including unions and media. This was a replica of typical CIA operations of pre-NED days.
NED, like the CIA before it, calls what it does “supporting democracy”.
The governments and movements that the NED targets call it by its real
we have already seen, the NED is meant to support pro-US political
groups around the world, and create a political consensus shaped in
America’s own image. The NED themselves say that they give more than
1,600 grants to different organizations around the world in more than 90
countries. We also know that this organization, besides being pro-US,
can be supportive of certain politicans or against certain politicians,
like in Nicaragua and Mongolia. They have assisted groups with a regime
change agenda, including to take down democratically elected leaders as
has happened in Bulgaria and Albania. Other groups they help can be
separatists, for example the World Uyghur Congress in China.
If we search the NED database of grants from 2016 to the present, we can find:
Donald Trump won the elections, members of the US government were quick
to make a scandal about how it might has been Russia which may have
interfered in the elections, according to their theories. The US is very
wary when it comes to other countries interfering in their internal
affairs, even though they have no qualms when it comes to them doing
exactly the same in the internal affairs of the rest of the World (the
US manipulates a lot of the information we get about events and
controls the narratives and story telling of many global issues. They
always tell their own crafted versions of the story, not for the benefit
of humanity as a whole, but for their own selfish interests.
famous example: the US used a false flag operation to say Vietnam had
attacked them so they had a public excuse to enter the Vietnam War:
like that time they were planning to perpetrate terrorist acts against
their own civilians, in order to blame Cuba and have an excuse for the
military to invade them:
the US was supporting Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war in 1988, they knew Iraq
would use sarin and mustard gas, both banned by the Genneva Protocol
following WWII. The US was not only totally okay with it, the US
provided the imagery and maps to make using those weapons a success,
fully knowing that this attack would result in the horrible death of
thousands of civilians, many of them women, children and elderly people.
a few decades later, when it became more convenient for the US to
overthrow Saddam Hussein, the US decided to go with the excuse of
attacking them because they claimed Iraq had Weapons of Mass
destruction, even though ironically this time they didn’t had any:
And when it comes to all of this, do people seriously think this is all about promoting democracy and human rights?
there is always another ulterior motive, because while the Media and
Politicians publicly speak about supporting freedom and human rights,
this what politicians say behind the cameras:
document was from Hillary Clinton’s released emails from Wikileaks. She
reveals that President Nicolas Sarkozy committed France to attack Libya
and overthrow the Gaddafi regime because he wanted a greater share of
Libya’s oil, increase French influence in North Africa, improve his own
political situation inside of France, reassert the French military’s
position in the world, and avoid the rise of a gold backed currency
called the Gold Dinar which would have given Francophone Africa another
option to the CFA dollar (a threat to French controlled financial
be more specific, Libya had 143 tons of gold and a similar amount of
silver before the invasion. Furthermore, as long as France can control
the CFA zone policies, France can act as a leech, sucking up the
resources of other poor CFA member African countries.
in the CFA Franc zone are required to deposit 50% of their foreign
exchange surpluses into a French operations account. Besides this, due
to the fixed parity, countries that use the CFA Franc suffer from the
highly valued euro and have difficulties in exporting their goods
because they cannot make their prices competitive (for example, they
cannot devalue the currency or create money according to their needs,
which would make their goods cheaper for importers to buy). On the other
hand, these poorer CFA zone countries purchase most of their foreign
goods in a strong currency (euro) while they sell local products in
dollars (a weaker currency). This means that they have higher
expenditures and lower revenues from international trade. Clearly, fixed
parity with the euro benefits more foreign investors who want to
repatriate their money and not those countries.
economists denounce this practice as ‘monetary servitude’. According to
Demba Moussa Dembélé, those bank deposits ‘deprive concerned countries
of cash’. Furthermore, France gets privileged access to its former
colonies’ raw materials and markets. Economic cooperation agreements
continue to maintain trade arrangements that are preferential to France
with the newly independent States.
I don’t think China has any particular problem with Muslims in general.
As an example, you can see this video of how Chinese Muslims in QingHai
XiNing are celebrating the end of Ramadam, also known as Eid ul fitr
(note: the video says in Xinjian, but the title is wrong)
you want to see Xinjiang more in the present here’s a random video I
found showing a typical day in Uruqm - everything seems peaceful and
normal, as of January 30th 2020. I didn’t see any “oppression” in the
video. And before somebody claims that it is CCP propaganda, I have to
say that I deliberately picked a youtube channel that doesn’t even have
This isn’t effective as propaganda given that it has too few views and too few subscribers.
*This video only has 11k views and the channel only has 269 subscribers.
saying this because, somehow there seems to be people in this world
that believe that everything that comes from China is propaganda, like a
Youtuber can’t show anything good in China or say anything good in
China, because otherwise they are part of the CCP and paid “wumaos”)
the chairman of the Xinjiang autonomous region, Shohrat Zakir, stated
that all trainees have graduated from the vocational education and
trainning centers in Xinjiang.
Was there once. It’s a 4 hours flight from where I live to Xinjiang, so it’s not like that I could go there every weekend.
I landed in Urumqi.
was december 2018, the outside temperature was about -10C. Like I heard
before, every public gathering places such as malls, bazars, etc have
security check and police officers. It’s not convinient at all
I don’t want to be targeted by the terrorists and religious extremists.
I recall watched a news about a 7 year old girl got killed by a bomb in
the bus when she was going to school.
It’s a nice place. However, due to the weather, no food stand was o
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have met and spent time with the Uygur people of Xinjiang, and I am
deeply impressed by their delicate looks and bright smiles. So I was
astonished when I read the so-called "genocide" reports in the Western
Xinjiang, the Uygur is not the only ethnic group actually. Since China
is a multi-ethnic country, there are many people of different ethnic
groups living in Xinjiang and they get along very well.
have seen an interview in the past two days, which said that the
ambassadors of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan visited Xinjiang just a few
months ago. When asked what he saw and felt in Xin
These are just a few of the photos available on the internet taken by American soldiers and contractors during the Iraq war. Twenty years ago and what was happening in Iraq was at nothing like the scale being claimed for Xinjiang.
somehow, millions of people (or perhaps mere hundreds of thousands -
error bars vary) have been detained, tortured, raped and murdered - for
years - but unaccountably without a single fragment of photographic or
video evidence that comes close to the stuff we saw from Iraq nearly 20 years ago. When this was the most common phone on the pl
obviously I didn’t see “genocide” though I’d point out that of course,
most Germans didn’t see genocide either obviously, if it’s literally
dead people on the street, obviously visitors wouldn’t be welcomed.
I would point out that I did not like what I see there (at least, on a
human / society level, the natural scenes were epic.)
clear that there were tension, I’ve been to most areas in China, and
only XJ has has a lot of armed check points, it also has a lot of
unarmed checkpoint, though at that point most were not just unarmed, but
issue is not Xinjiang or the cities .the issue are the camps. China
government explained that the camp were only for extremists , but more
than one million people is interned in these concentration camps .and
the satellites pictures of these , as well as the vids online, shows
that it's a growing number .I lived in china for 30 years until covid
19. I have many friends who tried to go there .let me tell you a story
.A friend of mine talked online with another one of his friends about
going there and seeing by themselves . 3 days later the police came to
his place and he got detained for ab
dare to say if anyone who has travelled to CHINA, should have witnessed
that CHINA is different, its busy, advanced in most of the aspects and
should have senses of safe, for its the safest societies once would
encounter and experience in the West. Such harmonious societies with 56
ethical nations just couldn't be demonized by the WEST concocted Hoax
about genocides Joke.
totally different what the Western Media has depicted and if you do
stay in CHINA for long enough, you should also witness and could attest
that such political system, the Socialism with Chinese Characteristics,
is far b
course not. I went to several cities and tourist sites and didn’t see
anything but very tight security, racial profiling, mild intimidation
and more blatant propaganda. As a westerner I didn’t experience any
hostility either. If it wasn’t for Chinese colleagues telling me to be
careful about what I posted and said on-line before I went and a few
unsolicited bad stories told to me by locals and a policeman, I might
have overlooked the strange atmosphere, including a song about harmony
being played repeatedly throughout a whole city 24 hours a day for a
year and only noticed the beauty and very different culture that I came
instead of staying in a beautiful hotel in Kashgar I had booked a few
nights in a detention camp, or instead of visiting UNESCO sites and
areas of outstanding beauty I had volunteered for re-training. I might
have seen and learned more.
You don’t need to witness things to judge how likely things are.
is absolutely true. I visited Xinjiang myself and for pleasure, I have
found access to a private working lady. She was a gorgeous girl, maybe a
little thick, and we spent quality happy time together. After we are
done, I asked her if the genocide was real, and she confirmed that it
was absolutely happening. She had seen many of her fellow workers get
arrested and dragged away to these “death camps.” After knowing I was a
foreigner she asked if I could help her escape if she offered me another
round. So we went back into action. I promised to share her story to
the world to hear.
reason why these wumao or Chinese sympathizers always claim that: “You
can go to Xinjiang to see for yourself,” is because they know you won’t
find the connections to these concentration camps. You need to go the
right place to find out the truth like what I did! Sic semper tyrannis,
Live free and love justice!
a recreational trip 2 years ago, no. But plenty of beautiful girls (no
burqa cover-ups), beautiful people, hospitable people, happy people in
ancient bazaars, ancient mosques, great roasted meats that go well with
local wine in Turpan.
you may have to go to an ETIM controlled area to see such atrocities.
But I doubt such areas now exist after the government stopped their
terrorism in Xinjiang.
incidents include the 1992 Ürümqi bombings, the 1997 Ürümqi bus
bombings, the 2010 Aksu bombing, the 2011 Hotan attack, 2011
Kashgar attacks, the 2014 Ürümqi attack.
have lived in Xinjiang for nearly 40 years. On July 5, 2009, Uighurs
carried out genocide and massacre on the Han nationality. According to
the official report, nearly 200 Han people were killed that night. But I
don't believe that there may be more deaths. The Uighur massacre, like
Hitler's, caused the Han people to fight back. On July 6 (the second
day), my classmate saw with his own eyes that a Uygur was attacked by a
Han nationality. My classmate also protected the Uygur at that time. In
fact, almost no Uighur people died, and only Han people were slaughtered
I won't forgive these butchers, and I won't like Uighurs, so I have to leave Xinjiang.
assumption is that access to those “re-education camps” for non-Han
Chinese citizens is by invitation only. How could a cursory tour of the
province by an ousider establish what may be going on in there? China’s
government has an image problem abroad. Asking patsy questions on Quora
won’t fix that.
are subjected to the one child policy for quite a long time, while
minorities in China have more freedom to give birth to children. If
there is a genocide in China, it is towards the Hans instead of towards
the ethnic minorities.